As Primary president, I would submit names for Primary callings and get no response, OR, even worse, I would give them a slew of names and they would call someone totally off the wall and not tell me. I would just find out in Sacrament Meeting with everyone else. This included even my counselors. After several Sundays of not nearly enough people to cover the callings, we sent all of the children back to their parents and told them we didn’t have the coverage and couldn’t guarantee safety! Guess what….those callings were filled fairly quickly. It’s ridiculous!!!
– Kelly C.
Every single time our RS presidency asked for a specific teacher and were turned down by the bishopric.
– L
I served in Relief Society, Primary, and Young Women presidencies and have faced the same issue each time. We were constantly losing people because they were “needed” for another calling. And then we would ask for people and were told, “they already have a calling.” And EVERY time, I would say something like, “so did the person you just pulled from this calling, but yet here we are.” I got so many blank stares. In all the years in the church that I faced this, I only once had a bishop who actually stopped for a second and then said, “you know, you’re right. I don’t know why I didn’t see it like that.” And I mean, we all know why he didn’t see it like that. But it was at least refreshing that he listened.
– Leah Marie Silverman
When I was in a Primary presidency, we had been trying to get a Sunbeam teacher for months. It was so bad with subs, one of the Sunbeams asked his substitute teacher if she would be there the following week. Anyway, we had submitted names and were waiting on one to be approved. Then we got released and a new presidency quickly called. I lost it on the counselor who released us. They wouldn’t give us a Sunbeam teacher forever but quickly replaced us as a presidency. His excuse for them not approving the Sunbeam teacher? “She may have been considered as a counselor [in the new Primary presidency] and so we were waiting.” Because Primary teachers aren’t as important as the presidency.
– Mary Siever
As Young Women president, I spent many weeks trying to fill in a presidency. No matter what my input was on what we needed for our presidency, the bishopric first counselor would find a reason to veto it. The fact that I only had the chance to suggest counselors, and men had the chance to actually decide what was best for us, will always piss me off.
– Gail Bennett
When I was a ward choir director, the bishopric were taking forever in calling an accompanist. They kept saying “they had other ward business to attend to that was more priority.” Months went by. I finally prayed myself and asked a woman I knew to play. After the next ward choir performance, the counselor overseeing the music approached me and said I made a bad move asking the lady to fill in. He said I had no authority to do what I did. Of course I continued to keep the same woman even though it ticked off the bishopric.
– HB
Pro Tip: Keep female auxiliary presidencies in the loop with the status of callings, and never extend a calling that falls under a woman’s stewardship without her knowledge or permission. Extend callings promptly, and whenever possible, staff callings with the people the women have felt inspired to call.
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Of course, this is not a problem that only women face. I have been EQP, YMP, HPGL, SSP (Stake). In every calling I have had names rejected, counsellors taken from me, taken ages to get someone called.
I was stake clerk and stake Sunday School president. I had two counsellors and I lost both to other callings whilst sitting in the meeting(s) where the presidency decided it.
That is life in the Church.
I am afraid that it will almost take a paid clergy to get things done. So many of the priesthood are overworked and worn out, I live in Southern Illinois and our Branch is getting older (of those who will actually serve). We have four counties served by one Branch. It is not like in the west.
We have a paid clergy. It’s just not at the local level. :/
I would love to see an app designed for tracking callings needed and the status. Link it to lds tools to give access to the presidents (for their organization) and bishopric. Have slots for:
callings needed to be filled,
requested person/people,
response from bishopric (we would wait 6-8 weeks after submitting a name only to learn bishopric knew a reason for not calling them but forgot to tell us),
status of if called and waiting for sustaining
Set apart
I would also love to see the primary, yw and rs presidents meets regularly to discuss staffing issues and how they can work together to meet the needs of the ward.
Staffing callings is so hard and all the communication (and miscommunication) between women’s organizations and bishoprics can be so frustrating.
When I was RS president, the two bishopric councilors called a woman to be my activities coordinator without consulting me. As a presidency, we had already discussed and prayed about someone else who we felt needed a break from primary. We ended up going along with the sister they called (it didn’t work out very well), but I learned that these kind of situations are why they ask for dissenting votes when people are sustained. I had to threaten to use my dissenting vote a few months later. Wish I had thought to do that the first time around…
An app like EJ mentioned sounds amazing. I found it valuable to consult with the bishop about callings. He had different information about families than I had. But I wish women could issue calls for their own organization. It would be one less thing for the women to be left out of the loop. Sometimes we’d be waiting for weeks only to realize that a bad combination of sickness/vacation/family obligations were what was making everything go so slow.
And another big yes for Primary, YW, and RS presidents communicating closely. I happened to meet the Primary president after school at the playground frequently, and those informal meetings were invaluable. If I had to do it again, I’d be more intentional about discussing callings and needs with those sisters as well.
I was in stake Primary and YW presidencies and this was the #1 complaint we heard on ward visits. It frustrates the work.